Hi just went out and got a Scheter Hell Raiser yesterday and gotta say it rips! Lovein it. I can dive bomb the rose and it stays in tune! Anyway,..has anyone used a FR using Eb tuning and if so what adjustments are needed to do this? How,..is it done so that the FR doesn't stick up in the back with the Eb tuning. Also,..any tricks that you FR user use to keep it in tune longer or should I say to keep it more stable?
Thanks guys!

Johnny

Exactly the same as for a Strat, Johnny.

Remove the spring cover off the back of the guitar and slacken (slightly) the screws which anchor the spring claw to the guitar body, then re-tune and re-check the intonation.

How much to slacken the screws is simply trial and error tempered with experience, till you reach the required trem block's floating position, balancing the tensions between the strings and springs.

As for keeping it in tune ... no magic tricks ... just keep the trem in good condition ... clean it, lubricate it and check the knife edges bearing on the bridge posts don't wear away (they will, eventually tho').

Apart from that, just make sure your strings are well-stretched before you clamp down and be prepared to keep unclamping and re-clamping at the nut to re-tune when the pitch-wandering goes beyond the fine-tuner's scope ... as the strings stretch some more over the first day or two.

FR's can be trouble to setup, my old Floyd was very worn when i got it, and it took me quite a while to get it balanced properly, but usually new guitars aren't half as much trouble.
Like John said, its basically just a case of re-tuning, then adjusting the tension on the springs to bring it back, i'd do it in that order too, once it seems right (base plate horizontal to the guitar body) then lock it back up, if the strings are well stretched, a few divebombs should reveal any balance issues, if the strings aren't stretched it doesn't give a true indication of trems balance, or lack on any.
Once you get it setup, it shouldn't be much trouble though, providing you don't change string gauges or tunings etc.
Best of luck mate :thumb:

Thanks guys! First FR guitar I ever owned. I was always a Strat guy with a blocked trem,..so this is different to me and a little scary! BUT,..I need to set this up for Eb. So,..off I go......
Thanks again!

PS,..the worst thing that could happen,..is that I lock the FR down so Its not floating anymore!,... Right?

Johnny

Holy shit,..that wasn't easy at all,.it took me 1 1/2 hours to get this set up! Then evertime I tune it to pitch,..I would go back the the low E and it would be out,..(sharp) I had to tune this thing about 50 times to gert it right! Wow,..maybe a bad mistake on getting a guitar with a FR!!??

Johnny

Nah-h,

Like I said Johnny, trial and error ... tempered with experience. If you haven't got the experience in setting and re-setting your trem, then it WILL take a while longer, unless you're lucky first time round.

Once you're there though, you should be happy with it ... especially if you like dive-bombing.

Besides, gaining experience can hardly be described as a bad decision, huh? :)

As for keeping it in tune ... no magic tricks ... just keep the trem in good condition ... clean it, lubricate it and check the knife edges bearing on the bridge posts don't wear away (they will, eventually tho').

Hi John - What do you recommend for lubricating the Floyd, giving my Ibanez a restring and setup tweak and just want to know what to use....thanks mark...





Exactly the same as for a Strat, Johnny.

Remove the spring cover off the back of the guitar and slacken (slightly) the screws which anchor the spring claw to the guitar body, then re-tune and re-check the intonation.

How much to slacken the screws is simply trial and error tempered with experience, till you reach the required trem block's floating position, balancing the tensions between the strings and springs.

As for keeping it in tune ... no magic tricks ... just keep the trem in good condition ... clean it, lubricate it and check the knife edges bearing on the bridge posts don't wear away (they will, eventually tho').

Apart from that, just make sure your strings are well-stretched before you clamp down and be prepared to keep unclamping and re-clamping at the nut to re-tune when the pitch-wandering goes beyond the fine-tuner's scope ... as the strings stretch some more over the first day or two.

On the tuning side mate, it sometimes help to compensate as you tune, if it comes half a note out of tune flat on the low E, when the High E is in tune, try tuning the the low E back, then add a touc more, so its half a note sharp, then slightly less sharp on the A, D, G, B, until the high E you're actually tuning it on the money.
If its gone right (or if i've explained it right lol), the low E should be far closer to in-tune, and the more experience you get at it, the quicker you'll do it, the better you'll et at judging how far sharp to tune it, i probably should have mentioned this in my first post.

I had to do this quite a few times on my old Floyd, as it was extremely worn, so getting it setup perfectly was an art, but once you do, it shouldn't be any problem really, its worth mentioning when you re-string, just change one a time, never take all the pressure off the trem, 99% of the time, if you change one string a time, stretch them well, and its the same gauge and make (i.e the same tension), it shouldn't go out of balance.

Hope this helps mate :)

On the tuning side mate, it sometimes help to compensate as you tune, if it comes half a note out of tune flat on the low E, when the High E is in tune, try tuning the the low E back, then add a touc more, so its half a note sharp, then slightly less sharp on the A, D, G, B, until the high E you're actually tuning it on the money.
If its gone right (or if i've explained it right lol), the low E should be far closer to in-tune, and the more experience you get at it, the quicker you'll do it, the better you'll et at judging how far sharp to tune it, i probably should have mentioned this in my first post.

I had to do this quite a few times on my old Floyd, as it was extremely worn, so getting it setup perfectly was an art, but once you do, it shouldn't be any problem really, its worth mentioning when you re-string, just change one a time, never take all the pressure off the trem, 99% of the time, if you change one string a time, stretch them well, and its the same gauge and make (i.e the same tension), it shouldn't go out of balance.

Hope this helps mate :)


Thanks man! Yeah,..that's the mistake I made,...I took all the strings off then I restrung it and what a bitch to get it back in tune. It's just that I never hade a Floyd Rose before and it's a very different animal. I'm really thinking of taking it back and just getting the hard tail version.

Johnny

Thanks man! Yeah,..that's the mistake I made,...I took all the strings off then I restrung it and what a bitch to get it back in tune. It's just that I never hade a Floyd Rose before and it's a very different animal. I'm really thinking of taking it back and just getting the hard tail version.

Johnny

Thats one thing i love so much about the Ibanez ZR Trem, is so little hassle compaired to original Floyd Style, its the most stable trem i've ever used, and it even matches my hardtail tune-o-matic Av-1, which is really something.
I'm not sure i'd ever buy a guitar that didn't have one anymore, i know thats not much help to you, but i know if i went back to an FR it would definately make me think twice when using it.

I know you'll be up against the returns policy on the shop you bought it from, so if you really don't like the trem, then it probably would be worth swapping, but once you get it set back up, it probably won't give you to much trouble i wouldn't have thought.

Thats one thing i love so much about the Ibanez ZR Trem, is so little hassle compaired to original Floyd Style, its the most stable trem i've ever used, and it even matches my hardtail tune-o-matic Av-1, which is really something.
I'm not sure i'd ever buy a guitar that didn't have one anymore, i know thats not much help to you, but i know if i went back to an FR it would definately make me think twice when using it.

I know you'll be up against the returns policy on the shop you bought it from, so if you really don't like the trem, then it probably would be worth swapping, but once you get it set back up, it probably won't give you to much trouble i wouldn't have thought.


Avalon,..thanks so much man for all the info,..I'm returning the guitar and getting the hardtail version C-1 with coil taps. Same guitar but without the trem! The necks on these are awesome and I love all the inlay work! Here is a pic of the new one and specs! This way,.I don't have to worry about breaking a string playing live! Even my Strat trems are locked down. I'll be happier with the hard tail.

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Johnny

That looks a beauty too mate, hope it works out for you, and when you get it, lets hear some from it :thumb:

Johnny .... I'd urge you to re-consider before you commit to exchanging.

Sure, you had a less-than-satisfying experience with the floyd 1st time round ... but if you learn from it, I'm sure it'll pay dividends for next time ... besides, once it's set up for the first time, then assuming you don't change string guage, or tuning on a regular basis, then you won't need to do a full setup again for a long time ... or at least not in the forseeable future. From now on, you'd only be making very minor adjustments as and when necessary.

Believe me, you won't go through anything like the heartache you've just had ... also, you've got US to sound off at :tard:

The final choice is yours of course, plus you may even prefer a hard-tail version and the increased resonance that's available from thru-body stringing ... and these pros may outweigh the pros of a floyd bridge to you ... but I'm just saying think twice before you commit.

:thumb:

Avalon,..thanks so much man for all the info,..I'm returning the guitar and getting the hardtail version C-1 with coil taps. Same guitar but without the trem! The necks on these are awesome and I love all the inlay work! Here is a pic of the new one and specs! This way,.I don't have to worry about breaking a string playing live! Even my Strat trems are locked down. I'll be happier with the hard tail.

Johnny

As for keeping it in tune ... no magic tricks ... just keep the trem in good condition ... clean it, lubricate it and check the knife edges bearing on the bridge posts don't wear away (they will, eventually tho').

Hi John - What do you recommend for lubricating the Floyd, giving my Ibanez a restring and setup tweak and just want to know what to use....thanks mark...

Hi Mark,

Bear in mind I'm no expert guitar tech, but I'd steer clear of anything that's likely to attract dust and grit (so no heavy-bodied oil like Castrol GTX, ok?).

Maybe something very light ... such as sewing-machine oil, or hair-trimmer oil ... or even good-old WD-40 (if you can get that, or similar over on that side of the pond).

Even then, use it very sparingly and try to keep it off your guitar's body.

My personal preference would actually be graphite ... if you can get in a suitable form/applicator, like the stuff some people use in non-locking nuts ("Nut-Sauce?").

Johnny .... I'd urge you to re-consider before you commit to exchanging.

Sure, you had a less-than-satisfying experience with the floyd 1st time round ... but if you learn from it, I'm sure it'll pay dividends for next time ... besides, once it's set up for the first time, then assuming you don't change string guage, or tuning on a regular basis, then you won't need to do a full setup again for a long time ... or at least not in the forseeable future. From now on, you'd only be making very minor adjustments as and when necessary.

Believe me, you won't go through anything like the heartache you've just had ... also, you've got US to sound off at :tard:

The final choice is yours of course, plus you may even prefer a hard-tail version and the increased resonance that's available from thru-body stringing ... and these pros may outweigh the pros of a floyd bridge to you ... but I'm just saying think twice before you commit.

:thumb:

What I did was play it for some time and couldn't figure why it was sounding out of tune,..I come to notice when I play I'm resting my forearm on the Floyd Rose all the time. (I guess it's a player habit of mine) and this is why I had no luck with Strat trems and always block them. My bad!!
Anyway,.This is why it always sounds out. So,.it going back tonight and hard tail it is! I tried man and thanks for the info bro! I'll be happier with the hard tail. It best I do it now before I smash the Floyd Rose model off a wall and then hang myself.....LMFAO!!
:lol:

Johnny

What I did was play it for some time and couldn't figure why it was sounding out of tune,..I come to notice when I play I'm resting my forearm on the Floyd Rose all the time. (I guess it's a player habit of mine) and this is why I had no luck with Strat trems and always block them. My bad!!
Anyway,.This is why it always sounds out. So,.it going back tonight and hard tail it is! I tried man and thanks for the info bro! I'll be happier with the hard tail. It best I do it now before I smash the Floyd Rose model off a wall and then hang myself.....LMFAO!!
:lol:

Johnny

:D :thumb:

Your decision ... like I said Johnny .... either with, or without a floyd bridge .... it's damned gorgeous anyway!

Enjoy!

Man, i never mess with F R....
And the Lo TRS II system that my JEM555 have on it, it really sux big time. But i had a JS100 before so its not a great deal... you just have to know wich point is the weak one on every FR system and how to deal with it.
However, even if you changed your axe...is hard to come back from a regular bridge after playing with a FR man. Good luck :)

Man, i never mess with F R....
And the Lo TRS II system that my JEM555 have on it, it really sux big time. But i had a JS100 before so its not a great deal... you just have to know wich point is the weak one on every FR system and how to deal with it.
However, even if you changed your axe...is hard to come back from a regular bridge after playing with a FR man. Good luck :)

Thank man! Well,..it's gone and the new 2008 C-1 is ordered. Active pickups,Coil taps and string through body. It should be what looking for. Don't get me wrong,.I loved the FR version of this guitar and sounded great,..but it wasn't me! I never used a FR before and I just don't like it. I'm a fixed bridge player and will always be,..(I guess) I'll post a track and some pics it comes in,..(3 friggin weeks),..bummer!
:lol:
Johnny

Sounds good mate, think you made the right choice for your playing etc...I know as I have a battle with my RG Ibanez at times with the Floyd...Avalon is right my next guitar would be the S Ibanez with the ZR floyd they are a treat and much easier to maintain

good luck mate, cracking guitar you are getting..:) :woot:


Thank man! Well,..it's gone and the new 2008 C-1 is ordered. Active pickups,Coil taps and string through body. It should be what looking for. Don't get me wrong,.I loved the FR version of this guitar and sounded great,..but it wasn't me! I never used a FR before and I just don't like it. I'm a fixed bridge player and will always be,..(I guess) I'll post a track and some pics it comes in,..(3 friggin weeks),..bummer!
:lol:
Johnny

Sounds good mate, think you made the right choice for your playing etc...I know as I have a battle with my RG Ibanez at times with the Floyd...Avalon is right my next guitar would be the S Ibanez with the ZR floyd they are a treat and much easier to maintain

good luck mate, cracking guitar you are getting..:) :woot:

Thanks bro! I can't wait until it comes in. 3 weeks though,..looooong wait. I'm jonesin aready!:( LOL
:lol:
Johnny