Hey everyone , Jam and myself have been thinking/working behind the scenes on changing the current Mp3 comp format , basically atm we have the Mp3 comp and the winners choose the theme for the following month , however we are changing it for a number of reasons which hopefully should improve the whole comp in general :)
I will explain the changes below and how they will work in under the new system .
First of , under the current Mp3 comp system the ppl who win that month are usually excluded from next months comp , under the new system we are doing away with that so the winner has the right to defend there Mp3 title in the following months comp n so forth :)
Secondly , in the current Mp3 comp system the winners also have to come up with next months theme , we are doing away with that so the winners don't have to , it will be sorted out by Jam and myself every month :banana:
Then onto the themes themselves , they are gonna change slightly aswell , we're going to have a certain amount of fixed themes , like xmas, halloween , valentines, etc , also a idea both Jam and i discussed which we liked was maybe having two themes a year as a artist theme , so we could have a thread up asking ppl what artists they would like to cover in one of the comp themes , so lets say we could have Clapton , Jeff Beck, Hendrix , SRV , one month , that means for that month on the artist theme the entrys can be any song from those four artists , obviously we want fresh recordings for the entrys , no back catalogue covers :)
We will put up a thread after the weekend with abit more indepth detail about the themes :dj:
On the subject of the themes both Jam and myself want to have a thread up about non fixed themes with you guys sharing your ideas about possible themes for the coming months to, after all for those of you who turn out faithfully every month for the comps we both thought its only fair you should get to see and be part of some of the themes you would like to see in the comp aswell :bowdown:
Finally the biggest change will be all the Mp3 badges withdrawn from everyone who has won past and present , the only person who will have the badge will be the winner of the Mp3 comp each month :omg:
The idea behind this is that it will hopefully generate more interest for the comps in general , as atm we feel everyone is practically walking round with a Mp3 winner badge , therefore theres no incentive for ppl to turn out and take part in the comps , as with the new system getting the badge will be more worthwhile and keeping hold of it for the following month will be even harder , thanks to the variety in the themes :)
Just a very quick note to , both Jam and myself will monitor the poll system as we do atm , we will keep a very close eye on the votes and make sure we have no friendly voting going on but obviously we want things fair as possible for ppl who take part , if we feel someone is gaining a unfair advantage with the above, we will remove there votes .
You can put back your thoughts about this here , :)
http://www.guitarblast.com/showthread.php?p=102441#post102441

atm we feel everyone is practically walking round with a Mp3 winner badge

...errrmmm...speak for yourselves LOL..:maddance: . LOL

Thanks for your well thought out plan on all the above. Sounds like great ideas!

We might also add a perminent list of the previous winners to that section too, i think thats only fair, and we'll probably carry some of the more sucessful themes into the new system too, the 2 Minute Acoustic for instance :woot:

sounds spot on to me chaps! :boobies:

regards,
jim.

Well,..all sounds good BUT one part,...I think that a previous winner shouldn't have their Mp3 winners icon taken away!!? Most will agree that it's hard to get,. in some cases. Here's an idea,..I think we should keep the icon of winner of the month but change it to something like this icon and the person who wins the month we're in gets the bigger icon for that month. WOTM will stand for (Winner Of The Month) and the month they won it in,.. Like the icon here shows that MP3 WOTM for July! I think this is a fair request! What does everyone else think!!?
JM2C

Johnny

Well,..all sounds good BUT one part,...I think that a previous winner shouldn't have their Mp3 winners icon taken away!!? Most will agree that it's hard to get,. in some cases. Here's an idea,..I think we should keep the icon of winner of the month but change it to something like this icon and the person who wins the month we're in gets the bigger icon for that month. WOTM will stand for (Winner Of The Month) and the month they won it in,.. Like the icon here shows that MP3 WOTM for July! I think this is a fair request! What does everyone else think!!?
JM2C

Johnny

Apreciate the feedback Johnny , in honesty i think the Mp3 comps were quiet due to the fact so many ppl had the Mp3 winner badge , if you put these small badges into action im sure it will result in the same problem , ppl have a badge so aren't interested in taken part in the comps .
It just gets to the point where ppl believe its meaningless having the badge , the whole idea of only having it to one badge for the winner is that it sparks interest and continues to do so after they win aswell :)
I personally don't think its as hard to win as it used to be , the new themes Av and i have come up with for nearly every month let you be creative and play within your own styles , something which the previous comp lacked , infact i think this months comp bares witness to the amount of freedom involved , from what ive seen we have 6 or 7 entrys so far and they are all diffrent styles (obviously i gotta listen to them but im taken part aswell , so will wait til i finish mine ) :)
Give it a chance mate, i know not everyone is happy about losing there badges but im also one of those who have lost there badge to , still if it encourages the comp to be full of life then i couldn't give a rats piss if i have it or not , i just love having fun and messing round in comps regardless of the outcome , if you look at it that way you can't go wrong :)

Apreciate the feedback Johnny , in honesty i think the Mp3 comps were quiet due to the fact so many ppl had the Mp3 winner badge , if you put these small badges into action im sure it will result in the same problem , ppl have a badge so aren't interested in taken part in the comps .
It just gets to the point where ppl believe its meaningless having the badge , the whole idea of only having it to one badge for the winner is that it sparks interest and continues to do so after they win aswell :)
I personally don't think its as hard to win as it used to be , the new themes Av and i have come up with for nearly every month let you be creative and play within your own styles , something which the previous comp lacked , infact i think this months comp bares witness to the amount of freedom involved , from what ive seen we have 6 or 7 entrys so far and they are all diffrent styles (obviously i gotta listen to them but im taken part aswell , so will wait til i finish mine ) :)
Give it a chance mate, i know not everyone is happy about losing there badges but im also one of those who have lost there badge to , still if it encourages the comp to be full of life then i couldn't give a rats piss if i have it or not , i just love having fun and messing round in comps regardless of the outcome , if you look at it that way you can't go wrong :)

I got ya mate! No big deal,..I just thought that if pll had these little badges/icons of winner of a month it would give them more incentive to get more of them.

Ok,..say if you yourself, wins the August comp,..you would get the bigger badge to hold onto for that month,.. but also you get the smaller badge that you get to keep. Then if you win,..say Septembers comp,..you would gian another small badge and the bigger badge to hold onto for that month again. Then you would have 2 small badges and so on and so on. Ya know what I'm getting at,..LMAO!! I would think that this would give a much better interest in the competition. I know it would for me and others too!! JMO...

Johnny

I got ya mate! No big deal,..I just thought that if pll had these little badges/icons of winner of a month it would give them more incentive to get more of them.

Ok,..say if you yourself, wins the August comp,..you would get the bigger badge to hold onto for that month,.. but also you get the smaller badge that you get to keep. Then if you win,..say Septembers comp,..you would gian another small badge and the bigger badge to hold onto for that month again. Then you would have 2 small badges and so on and so on. Ya know what I'm getting at,..LMAO!! I would think that this would give a much better interest in the competition. I know it would for me and others too!! JMO...

Johnny

I know what your saying mate :) ..but we have a archive where all of the winners from previous months are displayed , anyone can look and see who's won when n where :)
Well i can understand that we can't please everyone with the system we're working , thats just how it is however i can't see it would make much diffrence having the little badges aswell as the main one , ppl will just get to the point where they have 10 small badges and think ahh well this is boring now , ive won so many times that it means nothing :devilchil:
I think the incentive lies with knowing you have to fight hard and put on a bloody good peformance to keep that badge for the following month imo :)
Probably the best thing about this new comp is that its wide open , anyone can win , everyone has a fair chance as its all down to your creativity and not a certain style :)
With the old Mp3 nomination system those of you who have won in the later comps probably wouldn't of even got a look in , not cos your stuff wasn't good but due to the flaws the system presented , which was agood few and really the one of the reasons we have the system we do now is cos of all the cheating bastards who kept rigging the noms with friendly voting and other means , so as far as pointing fingers we have all those "highly regarded" fantastic members to thank for all of this lol :lol:
So yup i can respect the fact that the comp is not perfect , it might not please everyone but Jam and myself can promise you that you will always have a fair chance of winning like everyone else when taking part in our comps :devilchil:

No problem mate! Like I said it sounds good and It was just an idea to take into consideration. Doesn't matter to me,..I'll be in the comps anyway!,..(well if I have time to be),..LMAO:)
Thanks man!

Johnny

I know what your saying mate :) ..but we have a archive where all of the winners from previous months are displayed , anyone can look and see who's won when n where :)
Well i can understand that we can't please everyone with the system we're working , thats just how it is however i can't see it would make much diffrence having the little badges aswell as the main one , ppl will just get to the point where they have 10 small badges and think ahh well this is boring now , ive won so many times that it means nothing :devilchil:
I think the incentive lies with knowing you have to fight hard and put on a bloody good peformance to keep that badge for the following month imo :)
Probably the best thing about this new comp is that its wide open , anyone can win , everyone has a fair chance as its all down to your creativity and not a certain style :)
With the old Mp3 nomination system those of you who have won in the later comps probably wouldn't of even got a look in , not cos your stuff wasn't good but due to the flaws the system presented , which was agood few and really the one of the reasons we have the system we do now is cos of all the cheating bastards who kept rigging the noms with friendly voting and other means , so as far as pointing fingers we have all those "highly regarded" fantastic members to thank for all of this lol :lol:
So yup i can respect the fact that the comp is not perfect , it might not please everyone but Jam and myself can promise you that you will always have a fair chance of winning like everyone else when taking part in our comps :devilchil:

Well, you guys have thought this thru and it'll be fun to see where it goes but your mention of vote rigging etc and 'highly regarded' members seems to be pointing a finger at someone so I'd be interested to know how you can rig a vote? I mean I entered for a long time and got nowhere and then after a lengthy break shared a win with SteveG at Xmas with 3 votes each...total votes 9. Didn't expect to win and with 9 votes wasn't exactly oversubscribed which is the main reason I don't find the time to enter. It's not winning but the fact that so little vote. Like most sites, there's about 5,000 members and 50 or so doing all the posting and collaborations etc. So if you have proof of vote rigging and the 'highly respected' member(s), then tell it like it is cos I can't see how this will fix the lack of interest BUT I appreciate you trying.

Well, you guys have thought this thru and it'll be fun to see where it goes but your mention of vote rigging etc and 'highly regarded' members seems to be pointing a finger at someone so I'd be interested to know how you can rig a vote? I mean I entered for a long time and got nowhere and then after a lengthy break shared a win with SteveG at Xmas with 3 votes each...total votes 9. Didn't expect to win and with 9 votes wasn't exactly oversubscribed which is the main reason I don't find the time to enter. It's not winning but the fact that so little vote. Like most sites, there's about 5,000 members and 50 or so doing all the posting and collaborations etc. So if you have proof of vote rigging and the 'highly respected' member(s), then tell it like it is cos I can't see how this will fix the lack of interest BUT I appreciate you trying.

All the problems mentioned above happened in the previous system with the Nomination system, not the new system with the poll, which is public, and you also only get one vote to use.
The previous system had many issues, not just friendly voting etc, and that is why the new system was brought in, but all the comps so far have been fought and won fairly, and as importantly in a friendly enviroment.

Any bad votes in previous versions of the Mp3 comp have already been dealt with, and bare no importance on the competition at present, and any bad votes in the future will be dealt with in the same manner if it happens by the staff, but our main aim above all else to to have a free and fair competition for all, and thats what we have at present.

Thats all good but I don't think you've answered the question mate. There's a certain amount of sarcasm applied when using this guy :lol: after mention of some voting scam. Now I can't remember the Nomination vote at all so can you explain how it worked (nominated obviously but I can't recall anything about it's workings) and how it was open to abuse? Sorry but the :lol: guy just seems to shout 'we know shit you don't'! :naughty:

Thats all good but I don't think you've answered the question mate. There's a certain amount of sarcasm applied when using this guy :lol: after mention of some voting scam. Now I can't remember the Nomination vote at all so can you explain how it worked (nominated obviously but I can't recall anything about it's workings) and how it was open to abuse? Sorry but the :lol: guy just seems to shout 'we know shit you don't'! :naughty:

The nomination system was based around the Mp3 forums, members could vote for any song they thought deserved a nomination for song of the month, it was open to abuse in many ways, all such problems were dealt with as they happened, but it caused problems (and there were other issues too), and there is nothing more to say about it, as it's in the past.

Its one of the many reasons we have a new system, these latest changes are to build on the system we've had in place this last year, and address a couple of smaller details like the badges carried over from the old system.
Anything to do with bad votes an previous comps is the past, and thats where it belongs.

Well,..all sounds good BUT one part,...I think that a previous winner shouldn't have their Mp3 winners icon taken away!!? Most will agree that it's hard to get,. in some cases. Here's an idea,..I think we should keep the icon of winner of the month but change it to something like this icon and the person who wins the month we're in gets the bigger icon for that month. WOTM will stand for (Winner Of The Month) and the month they won it in,.. Like the icon here shows that MP3 WOTM for July! I think this is a fair request! What does everyone else think!!?
JM2C

Johnny


Aside from the point the moderators have already mentioned, its not just a simple case of making a new badge for each month. It also requires a new usergroup status to be created on a monthly basis which is simply not practical. It is a nice idea though and one I originally suggested :).

It is a nice idea though and one I originally suggested :).


I agree,..it's not a good idea to strip the badge from peeps,..IMO. I still think the winners should receive something that they can keep and build on. What more incentive can you ask for!? It takes alot of work to come up with songs and then record them,...then all the posting and feedback to the comp. You guys can come up with something,..come on now! Even if it's just a box like this one.

Johnny

How about a link to an archive of past winning songs?

The whole idea of removing the badges was so that you have to fight to keep it, if everyone keeps a badge of some kind for there win, it still lessens the incentive to win another, or defend your title, so it would almost defy the point.
We have a list of previous winners here:
http://www.guitarblast.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=9430
That will always be there for a perminent record of everyone who has won, so no one is actually losing anything other then a small graphic next to their name, it doesn't change anything.

The whole idea of removing the badges was so that you have to fight to keep it, if everyone keeps a badge of some kind for there win, it still lessens the incentive to win another, or defend your title, so it would almost defy the point.
We have a list of previous winners here:
http://www.guitarblast.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=9430
That will always be there for a perminent record of everyone who has won, so no one is actually losing anything other then a small graphic next to their name, it doesn't change anything.

Enough said! Sounds good and I'll keep my mouth shut now! LMAO...:naughty:

:moon:
Johnny